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Offline pshep68

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« on: July 08, 2006, 11:11:11 AM »
I was jamming with a friend of mine last night and when we finished some how the conversation got to Eden vs GK.  He was kinda bashing Eden saying the Eden didn't match up to the GK.  The models he talked about were the GK 1001RB and the GK 2001. Have any of you guys had any experience with the Gallien Krueger, particularly the GK 1001RB or the 2001RB models.  Are they tube ?  How do they match up against our Edens.
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2006, 11:57:09 AM »
I have a GK1001rb11 head and two GK 212Neo cabs. The amp is solid state. I have nothing bad to say about this rig. I can get a great tone out it and It is LOUD! With one cab the amp is pushing 480 watts and 50 watts to the horn. My 1205 bridged into a 410xst(1000watts)can barely keep up. I have never tried a 2001 or any other GK cab so I can't comment on them
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 12:09:12 PM »
Before I bought my Eden gear, I played a GK 1001 paired with a GK 4x10 cabinet. It was a loud set up but it sounded really sterile to me; No life and it didn't breathe. I have talked to guys who really like GK gear but for my style and sound requirements, I haven't used anything that is better than Eden. And, I was a staunch Ampeg guy for many years, too. I had the classic power set-up of an SVT head and 2 8x10 cabinets.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 02:00:19 PM »
I've used a little bit of GK stuff, strikes me mostly as just another ampeg. Big, loud, but without the refined sound or ability to cut that Eden has. Like I said, limited experience, but what I heard wouldn't make me come back. I'll stick with Eden, thank you.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2006, 02:41:56 PM »
Modulusman, those two 2x12's provide MUCH, MUCH more surface area than a single 410(around 452 cubic inches vs. 315 cubic inches, which is about 45% more), so they can move a whole lot more air regardless of the wattage.  Also the GK rig has a fat low-mid hump for rock'n'roll cut.  The Eden 410xst cab has no hump at all, so it's going to sound quieter.  In fact, the xst wouldn't even be as loud as a 410xlt at the same wattage.  It's amazing that your Eden can keep up at all considering all this.

If you guys are going to compare gear, then at least try to make it somewhat fair, otherwise you're just fooling yourself when you form an opinion.  However, this particular story just emphasizes to me how amazing Eden is.  I would have gone into Modulusman's comparison expecting any 410 to lose big time.  Go Eden!

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2006, 03:29:37 PM »
Eublet, In my post I may have not made it clear but I was talking about ONE GK cab.
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2006, 03:55:40 PM »
I used to own the legendary GK800RB. It was light, built like a tank, and had that infamous GK tone.
I guess the question is whether you like the infamous GK tone or not...
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2006, 08:34:07 PM »
My friend is a GK dealer and I mess around with what he gets in all the time, I find that GK certainly does have a very destinctive tone and it's up to you to decide if its for you or not. I am waiting for him to get in a NEO 212 cab, that seems to be very popular in GK land.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2006, 09:15:23 PM »
Modulusman, that makes better sense!  A GK 212 is still going to have a very aggressive hump.  I'm telling you, a 410xlt will blow a 410xst out of the water in terms of perceived volume.  It's still not fair to compair a colored cab with a hi-fi cab.  For example, my 112xlt is every bit as loud as my 210xst using my 550.  The 112xlt, being 8ohms, runs at 350 watts.  The 210xst, being 4 ohms, runs at 550 watts.  The 112 just has a big bite to it that helps it carry.  They have two completely different sounds, however.  In terms of bass, one hits hard and rumbles (the 210), the other has a fat thump (the 112).  One has crystal clear highs (the 210), and the other growls at you (the 112).  Both different, both very cool, both made by Eden.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2006, 12:05:21 AM »
I switched from GK to Eden. I just liked the tone better. I tested out the 1001RB in a trial run with a Mesa 210 / 115 cab combination, and it was way loud, and with my G&L bass, I thought it sounded great! It did seem to have a peaky sound around 2K to me. But overall tone-wise, I perfered the Eden sound. I used GK amps for about 20 years, btw. I feel like they are another example of a great American made product.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2006, 12:12:51 PM »
Eublet, I use to own a 410xlt and it was a great sounding cab. In my opinion it might be the best cabinet in a live situation ever made. As for the GK 212 Neo there is no mid hump. This is a quote from the jan.06 review in bass player magazine." Both the 112 and 212 are sweet sounding cabs.Rather than assault the player with burly mids, they speak delicately,with a colorful midrange and slightly edgy top." The Neo GK cab sound has more in common with an eden xst than an xlt in my opinion. I know eden is working on there products using Neo speakers and I am sure they will sound great. I think that in the future Neodymium speakers will become the new standard when all the bugs are worked out. Jeff
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2006, 03:06:29 PM »
I owned a couple gk heads.I had a 800 for about 10 years.Then I bought my eden pre.I was blown away by the eden that I traded the gk in for it.After a few years I got restless like alot of people and bought a gk 1001rb.The gk has a great sound if you like agressive tone.I felt the bottom was not as thick as the eden maybe the frequency on each amp is set  at different hz.I still like eden more but it all depends on what you like.I see alot of bass players that play upright use gk.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2006, 08:50:50 PM »
My last amp was a GK combo.  Great GK sound, lousy anything else sound.  That about sums it up!  It was a one trick pony, and didn't really do it at the lower volumes I often play at.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2006, 12:09:52 AM »
I have something to say about GK amp. I had 700Rb for few years and it was giving me distorions, very chap sound, not good bottom and once  a intergrated circuit blew up in it, when i tryed eden amp which i have now Wt400 i have said good but to Gk for EVER. the speakers are not bad but the amps are s**t, speaking from my expiriance.

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2006, 12:40:16 AM »
I had a GK1001RB head before my Eden. That thing was a volume monster, but it took way too much effort to get the tone I desired. I had to find ONE tone and use it for every song! Once I tried Eden I was in paradise. I can get a killer tone with the EQ flat, or change up between songs with no effort.

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