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Dan,


Why don't you just stop beating around the bush and come right out and tell what you think of this cab??????   :D


Sounds like a lonely keeper that may just soon have a companion!  8)
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Talk About Your Set Up. / I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Last post by Rip Van Dan on January 19, 2019, 03:28:28 AM »
Well, guess what I found waiting for me this morning when I went outside around 10 AM...yup, you got it on the first try - a new Eden cab. 

So, this is what arrived this morning:



Paul, I blame a lot of this on you.  You were one of the first folks to report how nice the EX112 cab sounded and how much better they sounded with two of them.  Well I only got one, but it's all your fault.

As you may know, I have a set-up that I can take anywhere and never have too little for the gig.  So why would I get a little Eden 112 cab.  Simple answer is that it is all that I need for my normal Friday night gig.

We host an open mic every Friday from 7 until 9:45 PM at a nearby Brewpub.  We start off by playing a 1 hour set and then start calling up open mic sign ups. We'll back people up as needed.  If we have a lot of sign-ups, we may not play anymore that night.  More commonly we will play until 8; call up the various open mic sign-ups; and then play for another half hour to 45-minutes or so to close out the night.

The first time I played there, I rolled in my D.N.A. 410 and the owner said, "that's way too big for here.  Use that Peavey 112 we have sitting off the stage there.   Never could get a sound I like out of that Peavey, so I broke down and bought a WTDI (absolutely GREAT product!); plugged it into the Peavey's effects return and lo and behold I was getting Eden sounds out of a Peavey 112.

Well a couple of weeks ago the Peavey 112 disappeared from the club.  Come to find out it belonged to someone and they took it home.  Just ran my bass through the  PA system for a couple of Fridays, but decided I needed to get an Eden 112 combo or at least an Eden 112 cab to do it up right. 

Looked at the TN2251 but lowest price on it was $699 and more than I had or wanted to spend.  Thought I ordered a EC112 from AMS, but reviewing my receipt, I saw I had only ordered the cab and not the combo.  I went back to their website and there was no EC112 combo, only the EX112 cab. So I just waited for the order to arrive.

I took it inside of course and opened it up and here's my new cab sitting on top of my kitchen stool:



As you can see above this is the one with the whizzer cone (cone within a cone).  In spite of its size, it is every bit as solid as the rest of the Eden cabs.  The back has just one single 1/4" input jack, and no output jacks.  I got mine in 4 ohms and it will handle up to 300-watts rms.



It's small size really doesn't need two handles, so it just has the one handle along the back edge of the cab.  It's a metal handle and, since it weighs all of 30-lbs., it makes it very easy to grab that handle and go. 

One of the cool things about this cab is the way the corners are done to make it easier to stack.  Take a look at the two pics below.  One shows a raised center piece and the other shows the opposite corner with a raised border for the corner center piece on a stacked cab to lock into.  Those two parts of the corners are metal and the rest is the normal plastic/nylon corner.  Nice that the interlocking parts are metal.  Will probably be nicer when I get a second one...uh-oh, this new purchase already triggered more GAS!




So I used this puppy for our gig tonight and it worked well.  I pulled out my Eden Nemesis RS400 to power it because it had plenty of power - 400-watts at 4 ohms, and it is about 7-lbs. lighter than my WT500/800.  Of course if (when) I get a second one, I'll  have to use my WT500/800 and plug one cab into each channel.  Can't plug two 4 ohm cabs into my RS400 because that would put a 2 ohm load on it and my RS400 has a minimum ohms rating of 4 ohms.

Set up my gain first thing tonight and then used the RS400's one semi-parametric control to add 3 clicks of boost somewhere around 250Hz.  Initially cut the bass EQ by 2 clicks but after walking to the back wall and then back to the stage, I moved it back up to flat.  My bass really sounds nice through it with those settings.

We had three other groups come up and play tonight and of course, none of them brought a bass amp with them.  Whereas I won't let anyone use my bass, I figured as long as I had control of the amp settings, I'd let them go ahead and use it (really hard to let other people use your new gear!)   One of the other groups was a blues/rock trio that I also play in, so kept those same settings and of course it sounded great. 

A second group's Bass player had a 64 Jazz Bass reissue.  It had a really hot signal for a passive bass and I had to drop the gain a LOT.  It also distorted the speaker, so I dropped the bass EQ a bit and dropped the master.  Even with the bass cut back and the master dropped down a couple of clicks, it still wasn't very clear.  It never did sound nearly as nice as my bass, but with that same boost around 250Hz, it did fit in the mix nicely when the group played.  I did go back up and raise the master a bit though during his first song because he was a little weak in the mix.  After that it was good and they played a funk song where the bassist used some slap and that sounded good too.

 On the last band that was up, the lady bassist had a short scale semi-hollow body Lakland.  Had to play around a bit with it to get a good sound out of it, but at least it was not distorting.  Ran the bass EQ flat on that one and actually bumped up the normal mids EQ a bit too.

I really was quite pleased with its performance tonight.  This one little 12" speaker cab put out a surprising amount of typical Eden clear and full sound.   I never thought I would have to dial back the bass EQ on this but with one of the other basses, it was a must.  Of course, now I know that I will be getting a second one (All your FAULT  Paul!).  There's one place we play that has about a 30" stage with no stairs and lifting a 410 cab up on it is a pain.  With two of these EX112's though, it would be simple and I have no doubts it will easily cover this much larger club.

You might say I'm pretty pleased with my new little EX112!

Dan
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Eden General / Re: 410XLT horn not working?
« Last post by TobiasMan on January 18, 2019, 06:23:55 PM »
From the testing you've done, it does sound like the crossover, since the horn functions with a tone applied directly.
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Eden General / Re: 410XLT horn not working?
« Last post by wengr on January 18, 2019, 01:44:19 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Armin, I did as you suggested, and the multimeter shows 4.6 or 4.7 ohms. I tried a low volume signal, and the horn reproduced it as expected. I have to now believe that the problem is elsewhere. Must be the crossover? I have bypassed the fuse/bulb with no improvement. Any suggestion on how to troubleshoot the crossover would be appreciated.

Dan. I am aware that the Lpad should not be left all the way down. It has not been during my ownership, but I am not the original owner. Everything worked fine for years of my ownership, so if the Lpad failed, it did so while set properly. Thanks for the welcome.
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Eden General / Re: Rs 700 to ampeg 410hlf
« Last post by Shelbyviper on January 17, 2019, 02:25:02 PM »
Yes I did replace it with a Slow blow fuse and like I said I turned it on and it's just humming pretty loud and I'm getting no sound I went through the manual to see if I somehow connected something incorrect I changed my quarter inch chords from the instrument and still get the buzz in fact I get the buzz with nothing plugged into it in the volume turned all the way down let me rephrase not a buzz awawa steady
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Eden General / Re: Rs 700 to ampeg 410hlf
« Last post by Rip Van Dan on January 17, 2019, 01:09:36 PM »
It's not unusual for the fan to come on.  It is thermostatically controlled and comes on when the temperature reaches a specified level.  That is actually not a concern.  I would be concerned if the fan wasn't on and the chassis were more than just warm to the touch.

With the fuse, there is usually a spare in the fuse holder, but I don't remember if the Nemesis had that or not and mine is packed away at the moment so it's not easy to check.  In any case the fuse MUST be replaced with a slo-blow fuse as the normal fuse will pop when momentary spikes go through that are not a real problem for the amp.

I don't think it's a mistake to replace a fuse when it blows once, just be sure to replace it with the correct slo-blow fuse.  If you replace it with a slo-blow and it pops again, then it is usually tech time.

Dan
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Eden General / Re: Rs 700 to ampeg 410hlf
« Last post by Shelbyviper on January 17, 2019, 08:56:48 AM »
Thank you i appreciate these tidbits of help... i unfortunately have another problem... after about 20 minute of playing quietly, i noticed the fan turning on after 1 minute on standby... then it popped the fuse... being the dummy i am, i replaced the fuse... 8amp 250 volt.... turned it on only to have a hum... loud ... no sound and the fan continued to run.. i tried for no longer than 30 seconds powered it off, and we are i guess sending it for repair,  if anyone has encountered this please post... thank you again
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Eden General / Re: Rs 700 to ampeg 410hlf
« Last post by Bassmann1968 on January 17, 2019, 12:29:07 AM »
Welcome to the Garden, indeed :D
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Eden General / Re: Rs 700 to ampeg 410hlf
« Last post by Rip Van Dan on January 17, 2019, 12:20:14 AM »
Hey Shelbyviper,

Welcome to the Garden!

The manual that Paul gave you the link to is exactly right for your RS700.  The only differences between the RS700, the EN700, and WTB700 are the cosmetics.  The internals are exactly the same.  So feel free to use that manual and, as Paul recommended, pay particular attention on how to set up the gain on it.  That will give you the best sound. 

I personally have an RS400 that I still keep as a back-up for my WT500/800.  My RS400 will only go down to 4 ohms (400-watts @ 4 ohms) whereas your RS700 will go down to 2 ohms (700-watts at 2 ohms). On the RS series it's actually pretty easy to hear that sweet spot where the gain gives you the loudest and clearest signal to send to the power section, and thus get the best sound out of the amp.  Follow the gain set-up instructions in that manual and you'll find it right away.  When you adjust the EQ, bear in mind that a move of 2-clicks in any of the EQ knobs will give you a noticeable difference in your sound.  So set everything flat to begin with and then make any EQ changes slowly.

One other recommendation I'll give you about using your RS700 is to use the one semi-parametric control that you have on that amp to apply a 2 to 3 click boost at ~250Hz.  That will give you great definition and placement in the mix when playing with a group.  About the only time I didn't do that on my RS400 was when I needed to use that semi-parametric control to dial in a room.  After reading your manual a bit, don't hesitate to come back here and ask any questions you may have.

By the way, that RS700 will make your Ampeg 410hlf sound better than you thought possible... 8)

Dan
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Eden General / Re: WP100 master volume pot - where to be purchased?
« Last post by Bassmann1968 on January 17, 2019, 12:02:09 AM »
You're welcome!
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