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Offline Bassmann1968

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2019, 11:54:13 AM »
 8)  ;D  ;)
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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2019, 12:28:21 PM »
Well, I used both of my 112's at our open mic gig last night and it went great.  They do indeed make a noticeably different and better sound when using two than when using one.  I turned the cabs on their side so my amp in its rack didn't stick out quite as far on top of them. 

The T-shape this stack makes reminds me of the 60's before Fender put a bigger cabinet on their Bassman.  Prior to 1966, the cab was made to be use horizontally, not vertically, but all the rock groups stood them on end.  It was a very similar look.  Didn't sound anywhere near as good of course, but it was a similar look.  I might try to set them up side-by-side if I get the chance.

I used just one cab on my previous outings and that was loud enough for the room, but this was just better.  I did run them through my WT500/800 though since they are both 4 ohm cabs and my Nemesis RS400 has a minimum ohms load of 4 ohms.   With my WT 500/800 I put one cab in each channel.  It puts out a REALLY good sound - a fuller low end without losing definition or clarity.  I actually had my guitar player tell me how good it sounded!  When was the last time you had a guitar player say that?

My RS400 has that distinctive clear Eden sound but my WT500/800 has a little more warmth to it because of the tube in the preamp.  They are close enough in sound that I take the RS400 with me when I don't need both channels or the bridged power of the WT because it's less than half the weight of the rack-mounted WT - 19-lbs vs 41-lbs (26lb. amp+15-lbs rack).

Below are a couple of pics.  First one is of my set-up on stage last night.  Second one is of the amp and speakers cropped out of the first pic.  Sorry they are not as clear as normal.  I took these last night on our break in fairly low light.  The red EQ LED's are really bright. 



And just in case you needed a closer shot of it...



This is ALL YOUR FAULT PAUL...THANKS!

Dan
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5-string Rogue LX405 Pro (Surprisingly good "no-name" bass)
WT500/800 Highwayman (signature model)
D.N.S 410-8, Eden EX112 x2
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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2019, 01:30:40 PM »
I think that once you get past a certain number of gear items, the precise numbers start to become irrelevant.  ;D


I think Armin is well past that point.  8)
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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2019, 05:41:01 PM »
Glad to be of service - after my hernia operation I decided that smaller and lighter was better and this was the perfect flexible solution for me - looks like it might be catching...
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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2019, 06:23:33 PM »
I think your right Paul. I've been infected!

Of course, since these are 4 ohm cabs, I'll probably have to get a couple of 8 ohm cabs too.  That way I can run two cabs off my RS400 (400-watts @4 ohms).  That would lighten things up quite a bit...

Or maybe I should get the two 8 omh versions AND a TN501 to run just one cab or a WTX500 perhaps??  Looks like used WTX500's are around $400 ($399) and the TN501 is $649. 

OK, so I think I should get the extra cabs first because I already have a heavy amp solution to the four 112's and THEN get the WTX500 later so I'd have a light solution to the 2 cabs.

Maybe I should just use my gig money for something besides gear?...Nah!

Dan
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Dan Gracia
'82 US-made Fender Jazz Bass with maple neck
5-string Rogue LX405 Pro (Surprisingly good "no-name" bass)
WT500/800 Highwayman (signature model)
D.N.S 410-8, Eden EX112 x2
Line6 X2-XDS wireless
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Eden RS400, GK BK250, BPX115 cab, acoustic B410 cab, Sunn Beta 202 (2x12)

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2019, 04:59:12 PM »
Ran across a real good example of acoustic coupling last night.  We were playing a Tavern with a wooden dance floor and no stage.  So we set up on the dance floor.  We'd played here before, but I'd always used my 410 cab and it has some decent casters on it to keep it off the floor and it has a jackplate on the back that requires it to be moved a bit away from the wall.  Well the 112 cabs don't have casters and have a recessed input jack, so they were sitting on the floor next to the drummer and were also pushed up against the back wall.  Man did that sound lousy!  Was a really boomy sound.

The old saying goes that if you set your cab on the floor that will reinforce the low end by 3 db.  If you put it against the wall, that will be another 3 db.  If you put it in a corner against two walls, that adds 6db - 3db from each wall.  If you put it in a corner AND on the floor, that adds 9db of boost to the low end.  The way I had it set (on the floor against the wall) added ~6db of boost to the bass.  It sounded terrible. 

I already had the Bass EQ cut slightly, so I cut down to about 10 o'clock.  Then it just sounded weak.  The simple solution was to put the EQ back to my normal settings and move the cabs away from the wall by about 6".  That cleared it right up and I had good sound for the rest of the night.  Only problem I had was that I was asked to turn down a bit because the lead guitar wasn't loud enough...seems to be my lot in life, I tend to drown out guitars...Rather than having him turn up more, I turned down half a notch.

I feel that I need to WARN EVERYONE that Eden is no longer offering the EX112 in their current line up.  If you want to get a couple, I'd do it now before the inventory dries up.  They are just superb!  Great sounding with 300-watts power-handling in a small footprint at a really low price. In the US you are looking at $269 for a EX112-4 through a number of places.  You just can't go wrong!

About the only negative is that they only have 1 input to the cab so when you run two of them you have to plug both into your amp - you can't daisy chain them. Oh yeah, another "disadvantage" is that my amp ends hang over the cab a bit on each side when stacked horizontally (told you it has a small footprint!).

Dan
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Dan Gracia
'82 US-made Fender Jazz Bass with maple neck
5-string Rogue LX405 Pro (Surprisingly good "no-name" bass)
WT500/800 Highwayman (signature model)
D.N.S 410-8, Eden EX112 x2
Line6 X2-XDS wireless
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Eden RS400, GK BK250, BPX115 cab, acoustic B410 cab, Sunn Beta 202 (2x12)

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2019, 05:35:41 PM »
The overhang is only because you have it racked - I use my WT330 without a rack case and it fit's perfectly, probably the same as the RS!  So sad to see the EX112 go from the lineup but pleased I got a couple already!  I get the feeling that if I ever needed more than the pair I'd be running through a PA anyway so wouldn't need to cause local earthquakes!
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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2019, 03:44:27 PM »
Yeah Paul, the rack definitely makes it wider.  When I used the RS400, I put that on top of just one and it was too wide for the 112 standing straight up it but fit fine when turned on it's side.  The EX112 is only ¾" taller (16" tall vs. 15¼" wide) than it is wide but that makes the RS400 fit perfectly when I lay the 112 on its side because the RS400 is 16" wide too. 

Even if I had it out of the rack though, my WT500/800 is 17" wide so there would be a half inch over on each side. That would hardly be noticeable, but I'm not really ready to take my WT our of the rack.  So I'll just live with the slight "T" and enjoy the "vintage" feel of the profile. ;)

I might try to find a way to put them together side by side and then put the amp over the middle, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.  It really works well as-is.

Dan

PS  just posted an iPhone video of the group doing a Jefferson Airplane song last Saturday.  You can see my mini-stack in operation behind the lead guitar player, Steve, when they zoom in on him. Here's the link:
https://youtu.be/PTWiJuar6EA
« Last Edit: February 18, 2019, 05:56:47 PM by Rip Van Dan »
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Dan Gracia
'82 US-made Fender Jazz Bass with maple neck
5-string Rogue LX405 Pro (Surprisingly good "no-name" bass)
WT500/800 Highwayman (signature model)
D.N.S 410-8, Eden EX112 x2
Line6 X2-XDS wireless
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spares:
Eden RS400, GK BK250, BPX115 cab, acoustic B410 cab, Sunn Beta 202 (2x12)

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2019, 11:24:14 PM »
Dan congrats for the new market !!

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2019, 10:52:57 AM »
Thanks TOM!
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Dan Gracia
'82 US-made Fender Jazz Bass with maple neck
5-string Rogue LX405 Pro (Surprisingly good "no-name" bass)
WT500/800 Highwayman (signature model)
D.N.S 410-8, Eden EX112 x2
Line6 X2-XDS wireless
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Eden RS400, GK BK250, BPX115 cab, acoustic B410 cab, Sunn Beta 202 (2x12)

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2019, 03:31:21 PM »
Hi Dan,
Congrats on getting your new cabs. They look awesome! Glad to hear you're happy with them too.

I have been equally as pleased with my current setup. The D112XST and XLT work really well together. I got them both in 8 ohms, and wondered if I shouldn't have bought two 4 ohm cabs instead. I played them indoors and outdoors together, paired with the TN226 head and had plenty of volume at 225 watts power. I was using the TN226 in this photo. I brought the WTX500 just in case, but I didn't need it.

I have used them with all four of my amps, listed in my sig, and they sound great whether I use one or both cabs. I haven't played much in the past two years, so buying more cabs at this point isn't feasible. But if I were to start playing more again I may add some more cabs. I have plenty of amps right now.

Paul, I think you did Dan a solid by recommending those cabs, no matter what he says.  ;) 8)

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Re: I blame Paulinderwick for this...or perhaps thank him...
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2019, 04:15:32 PM »
BTW Dan, you guys sound good in the video. Real solid bass lines too bro, and the new cab kicks booty!
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