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New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 210 combo
« on: August 24, 2016, 06:12:52 PM »
Hi
I am new to eden I just bought this amp and don't know much about it
It is 4 ohms and has 2 12s in it  I was was wondering what the best 2nd cab
Would be for this small monster..

Thanks
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 210 combo
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2016, 07:19:33 PM »


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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2016, 01:05:03 AM »
Hi Dbtoys and welcome to the Garden!

These combos with the WT330 or WT390 are called CXC.
In your case it is a CXC212.
Here you can find the manual
http://www.edenamps.com/assets/4012.053_cxc-combos-2005.pdf

Have a look on how to set the gain, enhance and soon, since you are new to Eden and this procedures are important to get the Eden tone.
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 06:10:00 AM »
What a pleasure to read a properly written manual - thank you David and Lane - today's manuals are a very poor substitute indeed.  Although the manual says that Eden prefers 4 or 8 ohm operation the amplifier will run happily at 2 ohm and I will say that I have never detected any deterioration in sound running at 2ohms - as I will be tonight!
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2016, 10:13:32 AM »
Hi
I am new to eden I just bought this amp and don't know much about it
It is 4 ohms and has 2 12s in it  I was was wondering what the best 2nd cab
Would be for this small monster..

Thanks
Wow, that's a beauty.  Adding a cabinet will depend on what you want to accomplish:  (1) More of the same sound?  A 4-ohm 212XLT would be your closest Eden cabinet, and your amp head can handle the 2 ohm combined load.  (2) More high mid clarity and cut?  An 8-ohm 112XLT (discontinued now but still available used).  (3) More deep lows?  A 4-ohm 210XST or an 8-ohm 112XST.  I used to use a 4-ohm 212XLT with an 8-ohm 112XLT and the slightly more powerful version of your amp, the WT405, and it was a great sound.  It was a versatile combination since I could aim the 112 more toward me or the drummer as needed.  Cheers, Bob
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2016, 11:22:17 AM »
A little more info for you about your CXC-212.  Power is 230-watts at 8 ohms, 330 at 4 ohms, and 420 at 2 ohms.  It's set up at 8 ohms using internal speakers, so lots of room for expansion.  The internal speakers' power handling rating is 400 watts rms.   Top speaker is a coaxial speaker (has a smaller cone for the highs nested inside the normal cone), and that handles the highs so a separate tweeter is not needed.

Nice find!

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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2016, 12:24:53 PM »
Oops, I thought (and the OP said) the internal speakers were a 4 ohm load.  If they're 8 ohms, that changes what I'd recommend for a complimentary cabinet.  If you get a 212 to go with your combo, get it in 8 ohms.  It will be FREAKING LOUD in any case and you'd still have room to expand!  The 112s were only available in 8 ohms if I recall correctly so my recommendation doesn't change there.  A 210XST for more boom could be 8 ohms, or 4 ohms if you wanted to send the deeper speakers more power than the combo's speakers.  Have fun!
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2016, 12:40:18 PM »
EX112s are available in both 4 and 8 ohms - mine are 4's...
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2016, 11:02:18 AM »
Thanks for all the info
I played er last night bin a practice setting
i am impressed the sound was better than i expected
 
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2016, 11:45:13 AM »
Oops, I thought (and the OP said) the internal speakers were a 4 ohm load.  If they're 8 ohms, that changes what I'd recommend for a complimentary cabinet.  If you get a 212 to go with your combo, get it in 8 ohms.  It will be FREAKING LOUD in any case and you'd still have room to expand!  The 112s were only available in 8 ohms if I recall correctly so my recommendation doesn't change there.  A 210XST for more boom could be 8 ohms, or 4 ohms if you wanted to send the deeper speakers more power than the combo's speakers.  Have fun!

The Back of the amp says 4ohm
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2016, 01:29:26 PM »
Hi Dbtoys and welcome to the Garden!

These combos with the WT330 or WT390 are called CXC.
In your case it is a CXC212.
Here you can find the manual

Thanks,
i set it up like they said i will be selling my ampeg!!!
http://www.edenamps.com/assets/4012.053_cxc-combos-2005.pdf

Have a look on how to set the gain, enhance and soon, since you are new to Eden and this procedures are important to get the Eden tone.
Rock on!
Danny B

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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2016, 02:41:05 PM »
Oops, I thought (and the OP said) the internal speakers were a 4 ohm load.  If they're 8 ohms, that changes what I'd recommend for a complimentary cabinet.  If you get a 212 to go with your combo, get it in 8 ohms.  It will be FREAKING LOUD in any case and you'd still have room to expand!  The 112s were only available in 8 ohms if I recall correctly so my recommendation doesn't change there.  A 210XST for more boom could be 8 ohms, or 4 ohms if you wanted to send the deeper speakers more power than the combo's speakers.  Have fun!

The Back of the amp says 4ohm
Got a picture of that I can look at?  If it's on the back of the amplifier head, it's probably just a minimum ohm or "X watts at 4 ohms" statement rather than the ohms of the internal speakers.  If it's written on the L-pad plate, it would refer to the internal speakers but sometimes Eden got those labels wrong and it might be a good idea to check the speakers.  You can easily do that with a multimeter without removing them but before I describe how to do it, I'd like to see a picture of what you're referring to.  Checking with a multimeter is also a good idea if there's any chance a previous owner replaced the original speakers.
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2016, 04:08:28 PM »
I got the 8 ohm rating for the internal speakers from the 2003 catalog which listed the specs.  Here's the screen shot:


The rows are
• Power handling
• Frequency response
• Coverage
• Crossover
• Impedance
• Dimensions
• Weight

Catalogs have been known to be wrong though so best to check.  Without any load on the amp, the jackplate should register 5 to about 6 ohms or so if it's an 8 ohm cab.

Dan

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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2016, 12:48:51 PM »
Oops, I thought (and the OP said) the internal speakers were a 4 ohm load.  If they're 8 ohms, that changes what I'd recommend for a complimentary cabinet.  If you get a 212 to go with your combo, get it in 8 ohms.  It will be FREAKING LOUD in any case and you'd still have room to expand!  The 112s were only available in 8 ohms if I recall correctly so my recommendation doesn't change there.  A 210XST for more boom could be 8 ohms, or 4 ohms if you wanted to send the deeper speakers more power than the combo's speakers.  Have fun!

The Back of the amp says 4ohm
Got a picture of that I can look at?  If it's on the back of the amplifier head, it's probably just a minimum ohm or "X watts at 4 ohms" statement rather than the ohms of the internal speakers.  If it's written on the L-pad plate, it would refer to the internal speakers but sometimes Eden got those labels wrong and it might be a good idea to check the speakers.  You can easily do that with a multimeter without removing them but before I describe how to do it, I'd like to see a picture of what you're referring to.  Checking with a multimeter is also a good idea if there's any chance a previous owner replaced the original speakers.


I will get a pic soon its at the studio
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Re: New amp 2004 Eden WT 330 212 comb
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2016, 08:18:02 PM »
Other Eden/Nemesis combos, especially Nemesis tried to max out the combo power by using a speaker combination equal to the maximum output of the amp - say 4 ohm for a 4 ohm minimum load so if you then connected an extension it would switch off the internal speakers to protect the amp.  I assume that doesn't happen with this one as the amp can happily go down to a 2 amp load, that in turn would mean that the load description on the amp (and as a WT330 it will say 4 ohm but actually, as we know, 2ohm is OK too) but that is NOT the same as the speaker loading...
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