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Offline libexec

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Getting into the pocket
« on: May 28, 2015, 10:57:18 AM »
Hi all

I've just discovered, through carefully listening to some recordings, that our drummer and I are not quite on the pocket lately - so, I'm looking for some exercises to get better time-felt.

I think on playing simple lines with a metronome clicking only in "1", and then progressing to more complicated lines and faster speeds. ¿Will it do it for us? ¿Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

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Offline Bassmann1968

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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2015, 12:08:08 PM »
It is always good to recognize that something is wrong.
Also good is the will to improve things.
To practice with a metronome is always a good idea.

Two more things.
It does not help if only you want to improve it. Your drummer should do the same.
Second, practice together! I have some great earning books for drums and bass. They are called Essential Styles. All kinds of rhythms and styles in there.
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2015, 02:20:29 PM »
+1

As Bootsy Collins once said, "It's the ONE!... It's the ONE!.. It's the ONE!"  Bootsy Collins (bass player for James Brown in the 70's and Funkadelic after that) made a short video on playing funk and he just started out playing one note on the ONE in 4/4 time.  After a bit, he started adding stuff in between, but he was ALWAYS solid on THE ONE.    His point was that regardless of how carried away you may get with embellishments or involved runs, you always have to be locked in with the drummer on the ONE.  Nothing works so well on doing that as spending a little time with the drummer.

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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2015, 12:58:28 PM »
Great info Rip. I'm new to bass after playing 6 strings for years and I'm loving it. Much more involved than I thought and although I'm still pretty useless I'm finding it so rewarding. That Bootsy tip is so obvious that I've never ever thought about it. I've never owned a metronome in all the years playing guitar either so that will be my next purchase!
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2015, 09:40:47 AM »
Essential styles are great exercise books! great to improve the bass/drum team... You might also wanna try some percussion practice if you can, it will help you to have a better "inner" sense of rythm. and yep, metronome is your best friend!

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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 12:50:32 PM »
It is like when Zoot in the Muppet show answered the question: How do I get to Carnegie Hall? "Practice, man! Practice!"  ;)
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2015, 04:16:10 AM »
Hi all

I've just discovered, through carefully listening to some recordings, that our drummer and I are not quite on the pocket lately - so, I'm looking for some exercises to get better time-felt.

I think on playing simple lines with a metronome clicking only in "1", and then progressing to more complicated lines and faster speeds. ¿Will it do it for us? ¿Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards

Hey!  It sounds like you know how to practice!  Going in that direction can lead you to endless exercises to do, even an overwhelming amount of things to work on to improve "getting in the pocket".  If you're worried about that happening then I'd recommend this video which is very helpful for focusing your practice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2d43iOedDs

He also does a great video on Association which you may want to see in case that's what's going on with that drummer.  There's a number of incredibly helpful bass lessons on that YouTube channel.



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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2015, 10:50:47 AM »
I like that guy's videos!  I've watched a few just now and I learned a thing or two :)
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 01:53:48 PM »
I like that guy's videos!  I've watched a few just now and I learned a thing or two :)


That's great!  I'm really convinced he is THE teacher in music education today.



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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 10:49:41 AM »
I would highly recommend Roy Vogt's lessons as well. Check out his ThunderRow.com website for lessons and tips.  Our old friend Lane Baldwin has some features and videos there to.

Another fellow from down under is George Urbaszek at creativebasslessons.com.   He has a very easy and approachable teaching style and a huge recording history.  Plus uses Eden gear!
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2015, 10:57:13 AM »
I echo Dan's recommendation of Roy Vogt's materials.  His set of instructional videos/instructional materials/play a long .mpgs, etc. are great!  He covers material for everyone from rank beginners to pros (who will likely find some bad habits they need to address ;)).
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 02:02:06 PM »
Did I really forget to mention it?
Of course TMBG is great.
And it comes with a band on DVD you can practice with!
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 03:21:02 PM »
When you say "TMBG", I read "They Might Be Giants"  and they *are* great :)
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 03:51:09 PM »
Roy Voigts TMBG
Teach me bass guitar.
A set of 10 DVDs with hours and hours of great lessons!
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Re: Getting into the pocket
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 04:39:11 PM »
Do you listen to each other when you play or are you going through what you think you should be playing without really listening?  It is interesting that you picked it up from a recording because that suggests to me that you aren't listening to each other as you play.  For me that is the essence of the relationship in a band, not just a rhythm section - I watched the Stones recording of a concert they played in London in 2015 - and despite having been together for 50 years if you watch carefully they are all listening to each other (well maybe with the exception of Mick) and responding to each other on numbers they must have played so many times - listen...
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