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Offline Duff2

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2015, 08:40:29 AM »
Looks like a home run to me.

Eden did a fantastic job integrating pretty much all the features many users, including myself, have been requesting for years.

Personally, I'm happy the power amps are not switched-mode/Class D.

Way to go Eden/Marshall.  There's definitely a WTP-900 in my future.

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Offline Bassmann1968

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2015, 08:55:12 AM »
From a stand point of a technician I have to say that it was time for an upgrade.
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2015, 09:12:28 AM »
Now for the million dollar question...
When will these actually be available?

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2015, 09:20:33 AM »
I'd like to add that a new preamp is also available. I'm just waiting for some spec info before I post but cosmetically, it looks like the 600/900.

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2015, 09:43:35 AM »
Yes, we saw that in the manual!
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 09:52:45 AM »
Anyone know what the MSRP will be on the WTP-600, 900 and WTP preamp?
 

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 10:16:23 AM »
I shot a mail to the brand manager.
Answer might take a while because of NAMM.
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2015, 10:41:45 AM »
Thanks Armin!  :)
 

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2015, 11:29:09 AM »
Found the price info and it looks like Musician's Friend is taking preorders....

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/tube-bass-amplifier-heads/eden?_requestid=1098245

 

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2015, 11:45:39 AM »
Great to see the pics and new info on the new WTPro's.  After looking at the pictures of both front and back, it appears that their is NO separate bridged output.   There is a selection switch on the back which will toggles through all the modes (stereo [dual mono], Bi-amp, and Bridged) but no indicator light that I've found yet to let you know which one you are in.  In the manual it tells you that you can use up to two 4 ohm cabinets in bridged mode.  So that leaves me with a number of questions:

• Previously we have always cautioned about switching into or out of Bridged Mode while the amp was powered up.  Does this no longer matter?

• Since there is no "bridged output" evidently you just leave one plugged into the right and one into the left output.  Is that correct?  What happens if you plug both 4 ohm cabs into the right or both into the left?

• How can you tell by looking at the amp, what output mode you are in?  Where is the indicator light?

• Running two 4 ohm cabs (one in each side)  sounds like it would run 8 ohms bridged?  Is that right Armin? 

I'm really happy to see the new compressor controls - GREAT!.  That's a big improvement in my opinion.  I'll be very interested to find out what effect the tube mix has the sound.  I have a similar control on my RS400 only it's called "Distortion".  It adds some tube grit (distortion) to the sound but the control has to be turned way up to do so and it helps a lot to run the gain up.   Normally Eden tubes are in the Impedance stage of the amp.  From the info in the manual it sounds like one is in  the impedance stage as normal and the other is in the gain circuitry.  Is that right?

I'm put off a little bit by the EQ controls because the Treble control is hanging up there next to the Frequency selection controls and not the boost/cut controls where it logically should be.   it also just plain looks funny being up there...like it's about ready to fall down to where it should be.  Like an upside-down pyramid, heavy on one side - visually it's just unbalanced.   It looks like they did that so they could put the "World Tour Pro" script between the EQ and the master switch and if the Treble control was there it they couldn't do it.   Although the cosmetic appearance is a bit unbalanced, that is a comparatively minor thing and would NOT stop me from getting this amp.  It probably doesn't even bother other folks...

The whole lack-of-space problem on the front of this amp is caused by the extra vent that is located in the front of the amp, but I feel that vent is more important than better cosmetics.  With the second fan on the back and the extra vent in the front, it is obvious that Eden is placing proper cooling as a high priority.  Cooler running amp means better reliability and longer life, so I'm all for that.

So looks to me like the older WT800 and WT550 designs with some very nice and very useable new features and upgrades.   It's a nice step up!

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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2015, 11:46:35 AM »
... Personally, I'm happy the power amps are not switched-mode/Class D. ...
A switched mode power supply can be used with any class of amplifier, eliminating the weight of the transformer.  My old QSC PLX1804 was switched mode and class H.  1800 watts and 13 pounds.  For me personally, elimination of unnecessary weight is a good thing.  I agree with you about class D, at least regarding the modules currently in popular use, which I find to be uniformly over-rated compared to class A/B.
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2015, 11:50:41 AM »
The new amps do look promising, as others have stated, some requests made for years are finally getting answers. I very much look forward to trying one of these out.

The internal battle I'm having, and I don't know if any of you are having, but I can't tell if I am an Edenite or a David Nordschow loyalist. I'm still a little butthurt about how Marshall took David's baby and pretty much whored it out to mainstream marketing. Alas, that's business I suppose.

In conclusion, I really love my D.N.A. 1350 as far as amp is concerned, but did I jump ship too soon? The WTP900 does look awfully tempting...
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2015, 06:46:33 PM »
I totally understand Bassballz. I have some of the early Gene Pool DNS112 neo's that are still killing it...with my WT800, WT405, and occasionally the first-gen WTX260.  These days I am using IEM's so changing amps isn't a priority. I DO want a 1350 though, having played through them, and it's nice to see Eden release something fresh. Dilemma.
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2015, 09:54:34 PM »
For me it is easy. I'm not jumping ship and will have both.
We will see who will become the winner.

For Dan:
Switching modes can be done with the amp powered up, cabs should not be connected.
The outputs are illuminated and indicate where you have to connect after you switched mode.
Not sure about the minimum load per channel or bridged. I suspect 8 ohm for bridged mode. Also if it goes down as low as 4 Ohm the power will not be much higher then 900W due to the power restriction of the power supply.
Yes, we now have a tube for impedance stage and one for gain, that can be mixed.
And yes, the cooling is a good thing. The amps will be more reliable and also, very important, more silent. Those are silent computer fans. Therefore two I guess.

I like the amp as it is, except one big mistake. Where is the input on the back panel? I like to build nice racks and a cable hanging around up front is a no go.
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Re: So... a new amplifier??
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2015, 11:00:02 AM »
Says in the manual that you can run 2, 4 ohm cabs in Bridged Mode.  Have to assume  that means its looking at an 8 ohm load, not a 2 ohm load.
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