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Offline MuthaFunk

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800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« on: June 18, 2013, 07:50:07 PM »
I love my WT400... but the attraction of all these new high powered lightweight and gig bag sized is just too much for a weekend warrior like me who hauls all his own gear plus extras.

I bought a WTX500 and think it's a great amp.  Its sound comes close to my WT400 but it's simply not it.  Not near as versatile and it's always a little more bright (read less warm).   I personally find it's 500W rating to be a little generous.  IME it doesn't come close to the output of my 400W WT400 at 4 ohms. The WTX500 seems to just fall short of being completely gig capable without P.A. support.

Am I the only Edenite who thinks Eden has really missed a valuable marketshare in the class D world by only offering the WTX500?  Good, but not good enough for the semi-pro.   

If Eden could put a 800W RMS class D (I'm hoping this would yield power results like or better than my WT400) into a WTX chassis and drive it with the super versatile WT pre-amp that has made them famous, I think it would put the brand back into the mainstream bass world.

If executed properly as so many other manufacturers seem to have done, it would really serve a large # of semi-pro weekend warriors like myself. Please o please Eden hear my call!!!!

What do you guys think?  Am I the only one who longs for an amp like that?   

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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2013, 08:45:19 PM »
I think they work on such an amp.
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2013, 11:03:10 PM »
I sure hope so!

'Funk, I agree with you on the "generosity" of power ratings for the ICE power modules, and it's across many different brands.  The better-engineered micros have softer limiting so the user can actually use all "500" (or however many) watts without nasty clipping.  Even if the amp puts out 500 watts on a bench test, the fact that you can't reach that wattage without risking some hard clipping makes it behave more like a 250 watt amp the way Eden used to rate them (with 3 decibels of clean headroom, that is, double the RMS rating available for peaks).  I don't expect Eden to downrate the wattage since most of the other manufacturers aren't doing that either, but some soft limiting would make the available watts more useful.
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2013, 09:42:08 PM »
Well they do have a compressor but I personally don't like the "limiting" sound.  That's what makes many of the equivalent rated class A/B types seem soo much more powerful.  They just punch through with more dynamics.

Oddly enough, SWR released the Headlite and publicly rated it at 400W RMS.  It shares the same ICE power module that is equipped in the WTX500.  I did power measurements on my own tech bench and could only coax 240 RMS out of both...  (Shrugs shoulders)

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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2013, 11:34:58 PM »
It all comes down to how they measure it and how they design the last filter.
Those modules are basically the same, but they are usually modified to customer specs.
Also, those modules are higher rated at 230V, but the companies forget to mention that it is lower at 110V.
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 04:35:56 PM »
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 11:14:16 PM »
Well I more or less built one of these myself but used a WTX preamp.

Here's the thread:

http://www.edenampsforum.com/index.php/topic,20005.0.html

I'd still love to see a WT preamp in one of these and have started preliminary research on building a tubeless version with smaller boards to fit...  Comon Eden!!  You guys should do this!!!

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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2014, 11:45:35 AM »
I love the "mad scientist" approach  :P but agree that a higher-powered Class D amp is a big hole in Eden's product lineup.  I had to fill that hole with another brand.  :'(
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 10:14:17 PM »
That's a great idea...more usable power
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2014, 02:30:30 PM »
I have found the digital amps to be fine at low power levels, but really don't like the "effects" when you push them.  My WTX1000N would only have its internal amps used as backup - should my QSC ever fail.  I figure I have about 3000 hours of heavy use on it, and never a blip.  :)


Both that, and my old WT500 produce a vast amounts of "usable" power, not "advertised" power.  ::)
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2014, 03:48:05 PM »
I do admit my WTX500 leaves a bit to be desired when it boasts 500 watts RMS. I definitely don't perceive as much power from this as for example previous WT405's I've used. I've been heavily debating giving up the convenience of small footprint and lighter weight and sell the WTX500 in favor of the WT405. Oh decisions....
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2014, 08:01:07 PM »
Yeah, I've found that the "900" watt micro amp module gives me the same feel for power that my WT405 did.  That's why we keep seeing this request for a competitive kilowatt class Eden micro amp.
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Re: 800WRMS WT Pre-amp in a WTX chassis.
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 11:17:12 PM »
Now that I've been gigging this semi-home made amp for a while I can honestly say it has more perceivable power over my trusty WT400.  It still doesn't sound quite as good or have the same versatility over the WT400 however the sound is still Eden.  It's been my main gigging head which sees at least one or two gigs every weekend.  Rock solid Eden sound, reliable, small gigbag size, ample volume on tap.  I'm just elated with this project!

I used to always max out my WT400 to where the clip light was always blinking on my peaks.  Not this amp!  With that said, my WT400 ran like that for over 10 years and it's still rocking at less volume 3-4 nights a week in my practice space.