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Offline pshep68

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« on: August 26, 2011, 06:28:34 PM »
I recently played 1997 Fender American Jazz (in pretty poor physical condition) and it sounded amazing compared to my 2006 Fender American Jazz with S-1 Switching.  My 2006 sounded so weak compared to the 1997 which had higher output, more punch, stronger tone ... and the list goes on.  What gives?

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2011, 08:47:02 PM »
I haven't played either but just to eliminate a few possible explanations, was it an A/B comparison using the same instrument cable, amp, settings and speaker?  If not, any of those might have accounted for the difference.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2011, 08:11:54 AM »
Pickup height and the setup can make a difference. Was the action low on your 2006? I recently tweaked the truss rod on my #1 P-bass that was killing all summer, and accidentally took out too much relief. The D anmd G strings went from stout to timid, since string amplitude was compromised - yet there no apparent fret buzz. The same bass - with two different results. That said, Fenders of the same yeat can be very different, as can strings (e.g. steel vs nickel, gauge, etc.).

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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2011, 11:41:32 AM »
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Originally posted by Bob Cruz

I haven't played either but just to eliminate a few possible explanations, was it an A/B comparison using the same instrument cable, amp, settings and speaker?  If not, any of those might have accounted for the difference.

Yes Bob,
It was an A/B comparison.  Everything was the same.

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2011, 11:45:58 AM »
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Originally posted by jmcgliss

Pickup height and the setup can make a difference. Was the action low on your 2006? I recently tweaked the truss rod on my #1 P-bass that was killing all summer, and accidentally took out too much relief. The D anmd G strings went from stout to timid, since string amplitude was compromised - yet there no apparent fret buzz. The same bass - with two different results. That said, Fenders of the same yeat can be very different, as can strings (e.g. steel vs nickel, gauge, etc.).

Hi Jeff,
The action of the older jazz was higher than that of the 2006.  The pickup height looked the same, or pretty darn close (with the naked eye).  Different strings though ... the 1997 had goldish color cotton (?) at the end on the tuning keys.

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 04:32:04 AM »
It is like comparing one good apple from last year with a bad apple from this year. Fenders have always had uneven quality, so one bass can be good and one can be lousy. My 2006 P-bass is one of the best Fenders I've ever played.

Electronics is another thing; the S-1 switching was never a hit, something the customers never asked for. Pickups are pickups. The best thing to do is to listen to the acoustic tone of the bass without plugging it in. Then you can decide if it is a good bass or not. If it is to your liking, you can always do something about the electronics.

When I bought my 2006, not second, but third hand, the first owner had changed the stock pickup to a Seymour Duncan SPB-3. The second owner took out the S-1 switching. I installed the Stellartone Tonestyler circuit. There is no better P-bass around. The first owner contacted me and regretted he had sold it in the first place.

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 03:33:12 PM »
The obvious question is how did they compare when played without amplification?  The essential character of individual instruments is in the wood.  My '73 Precision was a turd- dead sounding, all attack and sustain with no blossom nor warmth to the sound.  That was despite several bridges, at least five pickups, and every string I could get my hands on between '77 and '83 when I got rid of that bass.  And that's a LOT of strings because I managed a guitar store.  In '83 I played one unamplified note on a brand new Fender Vintage Series '62 P as I took it out of the box.  THAT bass had exactly what I think a P bass should have.  I bought that bass in April of '83, and the only mod has been a Hipshot Bass Xtender.

So, compare the inherent sound of the individual basses.  Then the other obvious variables are the pickup adjustments relative to the strings, the condition of the strings (and the sets of string- comparing older nickle to new stainless is going to have  much different sound), and the action.  I wouldn't use the age as any sort of determination in this, it's mostly down to specific chunks of wood, magnets, wire, and wood.

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 10:10:57 AM »
Its the wood first and foremost, then the strings, finally the electronics.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 10:44:53 AM »
I think that's some of the fallacy with vintage instruments. I don't believe they're inherently better, just that only the really good ones were kept and preserved. There were probably plenty of stinkers built in '62 at Fender, but they all ended up broken or in the trash and no one really bothered because they weren't great instruments. The sampling is just not accurate compared with recent years where most of the production is still around regardless of quality.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 11:31:14 AM »


Here's a nice one I saw at the Hartke Bass Lounge in NYC, and a bargain at only $12.5K [:D]


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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 07:56:03 PM »
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Here's a nice one I saw at the Hartke Bass Lounge in NYC, and a bargain at only $12.5K [:D]



You know, I remember when the 1966 Jazz Bass came out.  I was contemplating buying the 1965 Fender Jazz from a buddy of mine or the brand new 1966 that just came into the music store.  One of the things I really liked about the 1966 was that they used inlaid bars for the fret markers instead of the dots.  And...they only had one Fender Jazz in the catalog then.  From my experience, I would question the validity of the 1966 clain.  

The other problem with the 1966 Fender Jazz (first year CBS owned them) was that the neck felt like a telephone pole to me.  My '65 was thin and fast and my '78 has the same feel...exactly the same feel.  The '66 was about twice as thick (deep?) as the '65.  So I bought the '65 and was always ecstatic that I did.  

Another thing looking at the picture is that the neck looks awfully wide for a Jazz.  The neck on the '66 wasn't wider than my '65, just thicker.  I remember thinking that they must have made it thicker so it wouldn't warp from using cheaper wood.  The finger rest is in the right spot though.  That was so you could play with your thumb better if you were "thumbin' it".  You'd grab that bar with your finger tips. Of course pictures can certainly distort the perception of size of the neck, but those mother of pearl fret bars were very distinctive and they are not on that bass.

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 10:06:22 PM »
I was going to get this one ^^ for you Dan (as a special surprise)
But it doesn't sound like you're interested! [:)]




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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 06:02:23 PM »
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I was going to get this one ^^ for you Dan (as a special surprise)
But it doesn't sound like you're interested! [:)]

Uh
I will take it if your offering![:D]



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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 08:31:24 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 01:59:37 PM »
Just found this old thread.
Dan, You might have had one of the first '66s with rectangle inlays made late in the year. Ones made in the "transitional" years, '65- early '66, had the new binding but still had dot inlays. I used to think the binding and rectangle inlays happened at the same time, but they didn't. Most "experts" will tell you the rectangles didn't happen until '67, but I think they made a few using that new design in late '66.
The one in the above pic looks to have binding, but it's hard to tell. Looks like the ugly oval machines are correct for that year, but it's kinda hard to see in that case.

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